Share Your Thoughts: Several Dead in Connecticut School Shooting

As news breaks of a mass school shooting Friday morning in Newtown, Conn., what thoughts does it evoke for you?

A mass shooting Friday morning at a Connecticut elementary school may be one of the worst to ever occur.

Several fatalities—an official count is pending notification of family members—have been confirmed by law enforcement on the scene at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn.

The alleged shooter is deceased inside of the school that serves children in kindergarten through fourth grade.

Patch reporters have been on the scene since the news broke just after 9:30 a.m. Eastern time. Follow Newtown Patch for updates.

As news of this tragedy breaks, what thoughts does the shooting evoke for you? Tell us in the comments.

Mike Buckles December 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM
Again Shane, listen carefully. I never said I needed them. And I don't need to justify to you or anyone else why the 2nd ammendment allows me to have one or any other qualified citizen to have one. You're throwing up a strawman arguement to try to make someone justify a right they have. Not going to work with me.
Mike Buckles December 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM
David, you know as well as I do that that definition will not stand up in court and could not be made into an enforcable law. If it was so easy to define, then why did Congress make such a convoluted law in 1994. You'll have to do better than that. Websters dictionary says: assault weapon noun Definition of ASSAULT WEAPON : any of various automatic or semiautomatic firearms; especially: assault rifle And then for assault rifle it says: assault rifle noun Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE : any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use So again which is it you want to ban, assault weapons or assault rifles? You say you want to ban assault weapons and use the definition of assault rifles. Why do you think someone would be reluctant to give you power to ban something when you don't even know what you're talking about? And again, no one has to justify their rights given in the 2nd ammendment. Why do you need the right to free speech? Why do you want to keep the right to a fair and speedy trial? Are you paranoid that someone won't let you say what you want? Let's just get rid of that right. You aren't afraid someone would railroad you in court are you? Why don't we throw out the entire bill of rights and the constitution and just go by what's 'fair'?
Mike Buckles December 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM
Shane said: "And Speed does kill Mike and growing up as a teen in the late 60's and 70's I know the trouble you can get in with muscle cars. There is no need for anyone to drive faster than 35 with children around, thats why we post speed limits Mike and if you don't follow them you get an expensive ticket. But we can't ticket people owning weapons of war.......but we can ban them and if you own one and take it out of your house, youre going to jail.....that is end of story." And if you misuse a firearm, have one illegally, etc you get an expensive ticket and go to jail. And if you kill someone with that vehicle then you get even more jail time. So, why don't we just ban all cars and then no one gets hurt? Speed doesn't only kill when children are around. No one should EVER go over 35. So we'll ban and confiscate all vehicles that go over 35 mph. Then anyone that has one is a criminal and we can arrest him. That's a safe amount of speed. Just as 10 rounds is a safe amount of rounds per clip.
Mike Buckles December 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM
Ok. Time will tell. Fortunately the far left doesn't own all of Washington. Perhaps common sense will return before destruction.
Mike Buckles December 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM
Cars are weapons of destruction Shane, it says so in the dictionary. Would you like me to mis-quote the dictionary like your far left extremist pal David does? Look at how many people are killed each year by cars. Anything that kills that many people must be horrible and be banned immediately. WE ARE COMING FOR YOUR CAR SHANE........ I'm guessing either 49 or 73.
archie's bunker December 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM
@Shane.... Thank you. Yes..... But also, I think there is an underlying concern by certain 2nd amendment advocates that the UN agenda 21 will be used (by Obama) as a justification (environmental) for impinging (perhaps forcefully?) on property rights (as well as other....Hence, the gun question). I believe it is this context that the terms Socialist/Marxist are thrown at O. much of the time. (Certainly not because of NAFTA). Can anyone of this persuasion provide concrete (beyond rhetorical) evidence for this concern.
Mike Buckles December 23, 2012 at 01:11 AM
So Shane, if it was made to kill, then no matter what else it might be used for doesn't count, it's bad. And if it wasn't made to kill, then no matter how many it kills, doesn't matter. So then riddle me this. Abortion was made to kill. All it does is kill. It has no sporting use, no recreational use, no use except to kill, yet it's legal and it's use is widespread, in fact promoted by the government. Worse yet, we don't even make someone attain the age of majority before we allow them to use it. A 16 year old can kill an unborn child without even telling her parents.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK December 23, 2012 at 01:32 AM
For awhile, I enjoyed the material on this site. But when there became no discernment in the editing abilities, I'm out of here. 516 posts that add nothing except a need to see your name in print and not knowing that what you said only belabours whatever point you wished to make, confirms that this is a showplace for absolute mentally defunct people. You searched for a forum to declare your mentality, and having found one, you,at long last, keep assuring the readers that, yes, you are as defunct in discernment as you already affirmed in your first post. I am surprised at Nicole, who has proven credentials, has allowed this to be a dumping grounds for the likes of many of you...I am out of here...b
Brenda December 23, 2012 at 02:09 AM
Wow Mike, Where did this thread go to? To cars, muscles ones at that in the 60s and 70s. For all of you who have NOT shot one of these fabulous M16s, AR15, etc. etc. etc. you do NOT know what you are missing. The sound of the constant pat, pat pat pat pat pat pat. If it has a collapseable barrel you get that bit of kick backfrom that metal that makes you know you are shooting a fine piece of gun. The wooden is as smooth as glass. It does not make me want to go out and kill one person or 27, but it makes me want to shoot it again and again like once a month at the range. The little spit of fire, the hot tip of the barrel after multi shots, and spits of fire out the end is pretty but also show you the power of these weapons and that they should NOT be used for anything besides target practice or war. Otherwise locked up. This 20 yr old guy got these guns from his mother for heavensake who knew he had mental issues, serious ones and she did not have them locked up. 1st problem, 2nd she should have even had them in the house as with many families who kids of who go hog wild with any gun they find whether they were taught about them or not. Ok, that is the end of this gun stuff from me. Also gagging as I say it, but Shane I agree with you on cars for transport, auto rifles for killing alot of people fast, and there is no correlation between the two. Also, I would never be with a man who would condone abortions as that is the worse murder there is.
Brenda December 23, 2012 at 02:18 AM
AR-15's and other assault weapons like them are like smooth as silk to shoot. If everyone got out and took up shooting/target practice as a hobby you would have a whole new understanding of guns and rifles, shotguns even. You would learn where to keep them safely, how to teach them to your children as we have in my family for generations since we gave Indians their first guns :) Give it a try sometime its nice clean fun for just one person or'or family.
Antonio December 23, 2012 at 02:44 AM
See a video of artists who are demanding a plan of President Obama and other elected leader to end gun violence. http://www.demandaplan.org/?utm_source=1222&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DAP%2BPSA
not Carl Peterson lll December 23, 2012 at 03:22 AM
No Robert, you are one of the sane ones. Look, here is how the threads work from my view: The first few comments usually have a level headed point of view Then it gets a bit louder Then someone throws in a grenade, and it's off to the races. The loonies come out, and the battle lines are drawn. Mudslinging hate poisons the well. The afterglow of a motley crew of thinkers and the unbalanced linger after the punch bowl is gone. Sometimes I pick who to respond to. Sometimes I can be as obnoxious as any Your comments are good. Just stay clear of the little wars that break out. And hey, you should of seen it election night!!! Now THAT was a down in the gutter war. Also from what I have seen most of the BS is confined to political threads.
Brenda December 23, 2012 at 03:53 AM
Usually the Patch puts a question to the readers. This one was stated twice, the first in the heading and then the last at the end in BOLD which was new in bold. I think they wanted to make sure we stuck to the point. LOL "As news of this tragedy breaks, what thoughts does the shooting evoke for you? Tell us in the comments."
Antonio December 23, 2012 at 04:12 AM
Anyone who wants to send the NRA a message to stop blocking reasonable gun control can sign a petition at http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/nra_stand_down/letter.html?registered=1&r=6993930&id=52425-6555324-p%3DNsCMx&country=United%20States&petition_id=1917&p=nra_stand_down&redirect_url=%2Fcam
not Carl Peterson lll December 23, 2012 at 07:55 AM
As horrible and senseless as the murders at Sandy hook people want some solution. Everyone here is screaming about the rifles and such. I was actually surprised to find out how few the automatic rifles accounted in the overall stats. Just a few percent of the total. As a matter of fact. The use of ones hands and feet accounted for more murders than all rifles and shotguns. Unfortunatly this may be one of those things that will never have a clear path for solution. Does anyone remember the twilight zone episode where the alians were shutting down, and playing with the power in a neighborhood? And everyone began to turn on each other? That is what I see in some threads. We have a mental (The shooter) He was turned down when he tried to buy guns A mother who was about to put him in a more helpful environment A school that had a locked gate Powerful guns that are only used a couple percent of the total murders Everything was in place for this NOT to happen. ( were the guns locked)? After slipping through all the cracks, I am convinced this kid would of found anyway possible to inflict damage, ....bombs,fire etc. The worst school murder was an arson fire to murder. So although I am with the sentiment that we need to do something, I think the making of the type of gun the issue is a feal good movement that will only take the focus off a real solution. good people do defend themselves by far many times more than used for bad....No clear answer....blowin in the wind...
Reverend Smith December 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM
You seem very dense, but I will try and appeal to your reason. "Powerful Guns"? Yes, if the shooter had a less efficient killing machine, he probably wouldn't have killed so many in so short a time. Buy you pass this off as a rare instance. It's not clear if you are saying that the threat of "Powerful" guns is being overstated or guns in general. But with more people snatching up the military style assault rifles (sales are way up since the shooting), the threat has magnified just that much. There could come some local or civil emergency where these weapons fall into the wrong hands. That could lead to criminal gangs posing a serious threat to all law abiding citizens. The purchasers of these weapons think they will never be taken from them. They think the government is all they have to worry about in that regard. They are wrong. When a mentally challenged 20 year old can take them from his mother, murder her, then murder 20 school kids, this flaw is exposed. Comparing fire (schools are well practiced at fire drills), bombs (which are harder to make not that the materials are regulated) to readily available assault weapons is stupid. It is not clear that more lives are saved than lost to law abiding citizens defending themselves against criminals. The number of accidental, suicide, domestic rage deaths is truly staggering. And it's not always clear that a shooting in "defense" was necessary. The George Zimmerman "stand your ground" shooting is a case in point. Twilight Zone?
Reverend Smith December 23, 2012 at 10:48 AM
One of theses days, you really need to learn the difference between a sentence and a paragraph. You do seem to get the capitalization right, but punctuation continues to be a problem. You seem to have mastered the spell checker as well. I'm trying to conceive of, what "The afterglow of a motley crew of thinkers and the unbalanced linger after the punch bowl is gone" alludes to however.
SteveB December 23, 2012 at 08:16 PM
You wish to appeal to reason, and you open with "You seem very dense". Nice.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK December 23, 2012 at 09:24 PM
Dear Big Tom: I do not want to take advantage of your comment by expounding too much. There is not room to explain what I say. This world is under the domination of Satan. a created Spiritual being who is called "The god of this world in the Bible. He runs things by God's permission. His passion is to be like God and wants to be worshipped as God. There is a Satanic trinity, the "father" is Satan himself, his son will be the anti-christ, and his John the Baptist will be the false prophet who will "Do wonders in the sight of the beast." He is causing our troubles in order to bring the world to a lowest common denominator so he can come in the person of the anti-Christ and solve the problems that he has caused. His method is delusion. The world thinks him to be a figment of our imagination and the result of deluded Bible Teachers. He will come to a cataclysic end as well as the World he ruled. Christ shall return and make this World all that we dream it to be....Gotta quit now, but there is your answer, like it or not..Bob
not Carl Peterson lll December 23, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Continued from 7:22 P.M. Saturday. "The afterglow of thinkers and loonies" has expressed itself quickly. Correcting someones English in the middle of the night (2:48 A.M.), would be a good example of the looney tune. Their is a signpost up ahead. Next stop....The Twilight Xone...
Brenda December 24, 2012 at 02:29 AM
Spot on Steve B. Everything would be great if the name calling was out in all posts, the implications of others being ignorant or stupid compared to everyone else, picking on someones typing, punctuation, cause its not important. If someone has a post with good information I will read it no matter how many typo's there are. Then berating and calling the people who have different opinions then you is even more high school, hell even middle school childish. Who wants to read through all the name calling and crap before we get to that persons post that may have a valid opinion, not me. Then I miss the important thing he wants to convey because I dont want to read through all the insults. I am sure other readers do the same and we all miss more then half of what everyone is saying, or half the posts. So then all of this is a waste of time even MINE right now.
Antonio December 24, 2012 at 02:31 AM
The Newtown killer of children was "turned down" by gun control legislation. The NRA leadership continues to try and repeal required background checks and other reasonable restrictions on gun sales. In a recent poll 90% of NRA members favored required background checks. This is revealing The NRA leadership's real constituents are gun manufacturers and distributors. NRA members should vote with their dues and withhold them until NRA has a change in leadership.
Antonio December 24, 2012 at 03:05 AM
I grew up with guns. My dad taught us gun safety. We regularly target practiced with rifles. I have hunted quail. Also, I have almost been shot 3 times by accident. I sold my rifle at 17 and haven't owned a gun since. I really wasn't aware of any "gun issues" until Reagan's Press Secretary started a movement to restrict guns about 1981, citing the ever growing gun violence primarily in poor urban areas. This is still the main gun problem with approximately 13,000 gun homicides and 100,000 shot by guns each year in the U.S. In the U.K. (England) where most handguns are illegal only 25-50 gun homicides occur each year.
not Carl Peterson lll December 24, 2012 at 03:16 AM
Steve has been on the other side of issues than I am, but I value his opinion no matter which "side" he is on. Just an honest exchange of ideas from Steve, which just might be the original idea of the Patch comment sections. Perhaps the Two sides of an issue might be thought of as the communicating, and exchanging of ideas, vs. the hate mongers.
Vic December 24, 2012 at 04:23 AM
Gotta agree with all you guys, SteveB, Brenda, Buz. Whatever happened to catching more flies with honey than vinegar? All I know is when someone starts out their "reasonable" response with "you idiot" it tends to shut down any useful dialog.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK December 24, 2012 at 06:21 AM
Ramifications...the way we are going ...we will put all Airlines out of business...we wont get through security with all the lead in our ass.
Brenda December 24, 2012 at 09:39 PM
Good God Bret, you make me feel like I need to return to college and relearn English, proper dictions and all that stuff I did get A's in. Bret just Holy chit are you drunk or sober when you write all this? Mike?? I just dont know about you. David V. with gun control or not "bad guys" will get the guns. Even if they are ones bought at auctions, pawn shops, off the streets. They will get exactly what they want. As far a terrorist havng riot rifles and shooting kids that is a good probability but that is a different fight. That fight is to GET THE ILLEGALS OR ONES ON VISA'S, THAT WE GIVE OUT SO GENEROUSLY, the hell out of our country. We will never get rid of terrorist attacks, expect alot more now, when we let so many in the country illegally or with visa's for college, or work, or any other number of lies. Do you think these killers we have had in the last say oh 10 years bought their guns legally? Not that I have heard. I think the Joker red headed guy at the movie theater bought his own guns however. Even if they are regular rich or poor white kids they will get the guns from their parents.
Brenda December 24, 2012 at 09:43 PM
I will bring the honey if you guys can find something to get all the vinegar smell out.
Brenda December 24, 2012 at 09:44 PM
And I cant believe it just took me 1 hour and 15 minutes to catch up on reading this thread, whewww
not Carl Peterson lll December 24, 2012 at 10:52 PM
Brenda, will the honey jump out of a cake? I am outa here. Its xmas..------------------------------>


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